2012 vs 1975, or why are today's runners so much slower?

The first running boom started in the mid 70s. Bill Rodgers, Frank Shorter and others introduced Long Distance running to the masses. That running boom is a blip on the radar to what we see today. Races these days may have 10 to 20 times the number of participants compared to  40 years ago.

With all the technology in shoes, diet, and training, one would think we should see improvement in our collective overall times. Shockingly nothing could be further from the truth.

I keep most of my results clear back to my high school days.   In Jan 1975, I ran the Mission Bay marathon 3 hours and 3 minutes as a 16 year old. I didn't think it was anything remarkable at the time. After some reflection, all these years later I did not think I gave my self enough credit.
Searching through the material for another project I came across some of my old races. 
I came across the Newsletter with the official results, and I now think my original assessment was more correct.

With today's time, 3hr 3 min sounds pretty decent for a junior. The fact is, Back then I only placed 31rst in the Junior division. In that race there were four 16 year old's who broke 2 hrs 40 minutes. I was beaten by an 11 year old by ten minutes. This is even more striking, when we consider how many people ran the race. With 502 starters, I placed 140th overall. This means I wasn't even in the top 25%!

A total of 121 runners ran under 3 hours that day. Nearly 25% of the starters.

Lets do some comparisons.
We will compare the 1975 Mission Bay Marathon to the 2012 Los Angeles marathon.
The mission Bay Marathon had 502 starters, while the Los Angeles marathon had over 20,000 finishers.
The running conditions were virtually identical. LA marathon had a net downhill elevation drop, which is most likely canceled out by the early up hills.



Four 16 year old's ran under 2 hours 40 minutes in the MB marathon.

In the LA marathon, there wasn't a single 16 year old under 3 hours. There also wasn't a single 17 or 18 year old under three hours!
In the Mission Bay marathon, there were 24 juniors (17 and under) that broke three hours.

The first 18 year old in the LA marathon came across the line in 3hr and 2 min.

The first 18 year old in the Mission Bay marathon was Kirk Pfeffer, in 2 hours and 17.44 sec. Nearly 45 minutes faster! ( Did set a new age world record for 18yr old)

But this isn't just a youth issue. In the LA marathon, 10 people, including one woman finished under 2 hours 30 min. In the MB marathon, 15 people finished under 2 hours and 30 min.

It is also beneficial to note that LA marathon will bring in seeded runners. This should move the results in a more favorable direction. It clearly doesn't. There were only 24 men and women under 2 hours 40 min. In the MB marathon, there were 43 people breaking the 2hr 40 mark.

But remember. The LA marathon had more than 40 times the number of starters!

OK. so what is the problem?

Well we know many people simply want to run a marathon once in their life and check it off their bucket list. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I commend any one who puts in the effort.

One though has to assume the top 5% of the runners are somewhat serious. It is doubtful that most do not have weight or commitment issues to the sport.

This means the only answer can be training. I believe this once and for all proves the current training methods which promote ultra long runs for non eleite runners are  in fact hurting marathon running in America.

The reason is twofold.

One, they simply do not work. Running slow for long periods of time only teaches you to run slow.

Two, They also discourage runners for keeping up the sport for multiple years.

For some runners, it will take 4-5 years worth of effort to drop below the 3 hour mark.

These super time intensive runs have both a negative psychological effect and also impact the personal life.

I can't see any reason for a person running slower than say a 2:30 marathon ever to be doing runs lasting more than 16 miles. For people running slower than 3 hour mark, there is no reason to run more than 2 and 1/2 hours in any given workout.

It is also concerning there were no junior runners breaking  the 3 hour mark. This does not bode well for the future of Americas long distance running. This shows  our school systems are not putting a high enough priority on Physical education. Couple that with the extra time students spend sitting behind the computer we can prove there is a marked decline in the overall fitness of our youth. This will have far reaching consequences in their later years.

 

Michael Lohr

 

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  • 8/9/2012 7:46 AM Albert Balderas wrote:
    I too ran the Mision Bay Marathon in 1975, do you still have a copy of the results? I did it at age 15 and finished at 3:54:56..
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    1. 8/9/2012 9:54 AM Howtorunamarathon wrote:
      Yes,


         I see you placed 382, and 92nd in the Junior Division. I was 16 on that day. I assume you still run if you are looking at running sites.

      Best
      Michael

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      1. 8/9/2012 10:09 AM Albert Balderas wrote:
        wow! is there a way you can scan it and email it to me? That was such good memories, Ed Mendoza smoked that race running 5'03 miles and I remember he was limping when he went up to receive his trophy..
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        1. 8/9/2012 10:17 AM Howtorunamarathon wrote:
          Yes  
          I will have my wife scan it at work and I will send a copy out tomorrow.

          I was fortunate enough to run with Ed in a few workouts a few years later.  Great runner and great guy.

          M

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          1. 8/9/2012 10:22 AM Albert Balderas wrote:
            that is so awesome, thanks a lot, my email is albertbalderas@gmail.com, don't know what happemed to my copy or the photo they took of me at the finish line, i was a fool to lose them, alas I know longer run, i got into trumpet a year later and since then that takes up all my time but i still keep up with it as a fan,and i do ride my bike everyday.. i was sorry when everything went metric after i graduated from high school, i was a huge fan of the mile, 2 mile, 440, 880, 220, 440 relays etc..
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  • 10/2/2012 12:48 PM david goddard wrote:
    I came across my Dad's 1975 MB marathon finisher cert and was shocked he came in 266th with a time of 3:27 (out of 502 starters).

    I figured a 3:27 would get him in the top 100 in such a small race. Even the top 50. So I Googled 1975 MB Marathon and found your post. The answer to my question.

    I am at a loss to explain it except thinking back to 'born to run' and how the new shoe technology is bad for us.

    My times came down after I removed the support from my shoes and started training in Vibrams for my sub 13m runs. I guess I should say my injuries abated which allowed my times to come down. I ran my PR (3:08) this year at 52, breaking my college PR of 3:11. Target now is sub 3:00.

    This is really interesting. Thank you for writing this. I would appreciate a scan of the results as well. It would be fun to give to my dad for Xmas.
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    1. 10/2/2012 4:10 PM Howtorunamarathon wrote:
      I think it really comes down to training. I keep running into people who run plus 18 miles during the weekend, but only run a couple times during the week. This method clearly doesn't work. The winner of the race, Ed Mendoza, 2hr 16 min, never ran any training runs above 20...ever!

      I just hit a treasure trove. Someone did a post race analysis. I have the breakdown of all runners in the race from a survey we all took. When I have time after my next big run I will publish an analysis. 

      Great time for your marathon.
      Send me your email I will send the scan to you.

      Michael

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      1. 11/12/2012 11:50 AM david goddard wrote:
        Hi Michael -

        You were right about practicing running slow will yield slow results.

        I was training for speed and ran a 3.08 in May 2012.

        I then slowed my distance runs and my times dropped to june 3:18/july 3.15/sept 3:20.

        I started pushing my speeds again and pulled another 3:08 yesterday (nov) at Malibu.

        Thx.

        David
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